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Anti-Loudness War

Posted by Phyrnna - December 9th, 2008


So this was brought to my attention sometime ago, and I'm really wondering if Newgrounds masses realize this.
The term itself isn't a new one to the music industry. Back when the songs were much quieter than they are now, some producers came up with an ingenius idea. "Why not raise the volume of this CD so that it stands out?" And indeed they did that, and it worked. It helped sales, since the CD certainly stood out from the crowd's. Other producers saw this and started to do the same. As soon as every producer hit that trend of increasing their volumes, the general volume was louder and nothing stood out anymore. So what happened next? They raise it up yet another notch.
This was coined "The Loudness War." Producers trying to sell more CD's by making songs louder. It works to a certain extent. It's not so noticeable when all the songs are this loud now, but it's really noticeable when you listen to "remastered" versions of old songs. Compared to the old songs, they sound fresh and better.
Why? It's because of the way human hearing works. Sounds that are louder are automatically clearer and "better". Why is that so? It's rather simple. Practically, any minute detail that was quiet and inaudible is now audible. So a piano sounds richer because you can now hear every single resonating vibration of the strings. It's also why live performances are always better sounding than a recording. And in songs, the sounds that stand out are the ones that are louder.
But here's where the problem comes in. There's only so loud that you can make a sound. Hit above a limit and your sound cracks. So your loud sounds can't get any louder than the ceiling. So which sounds get raised? The quiet sounds. Okay, great. So now your quiet sounds are more distinguishable and clear. But now they also are nearly as loud as your loud sounds. What happens then?
Lack of Dynamics. Simply put, nothing stands out since everything is just as "tall". With that, it kills dynamics. Songs where there are really quiet parts, and really loud parts. Now for some songs, that really doesn't make a difference. But some songs, certainly those that are much more complex in composition, certainly suffer. Certain sounds are supposed to stay quiet so that the louder sounds can stick out better. But if all the sounds are just as loud, it all gets muddy-ed and nothing stands out. Certainly, it also kills out a lot of the expression that comes from wide dynamics.
Now why am I fussing over this? The reason is because too many people are too lazy to raise the volume. That is, they're rather impatient. A lot of listeners will listen to the first ten seconds and instantly establish that the song is too quiet and hence "not good enough." However sometimes the song needs to be quiet so that the full range of dynamics can fit in. So what's required? Turning up the volume on the speakers. However, people don't do that. So the widely dynamic songs are turned down in favor of loud songs that lack any dynamic outside of LOUD.
Below, I've embedded a good video that demonstrates this really nicely.

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And with this in mind, in the future the majority of my songs will be on the "quiet" end. Why? Because I'm in favor of dynamics, and a wide range of dynamics. That's how music should be - quality music.

So please, turn down the volumes on the songs in favor of more dynamics. And when you listen, please turn up the volume on your speaker. I guarantee you'll enjoy the experience much more thoroughly.

For more information, you can read about the Loudness War here.

Thank you to all for reading.

-HFX ^_^


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I never meet another newgrounder who shares such passion for music.

Please tell me all about your favorite music.

Here's a list of my tracks I collected from youtube.
Let me know what you think.

<a href="http://jakbaronking.newgrounds.com/news/post/207935">http://jakbaronking.newgrounds.com/ne ws/post/207935</a>

Stay Cool Dude!

i'll be sure to spread the word one way or another! that's crazy. it makes perfect sense yet i never realized it before.

That's a great post, I'm afraid I'm part of the Loudness army.
I do max my volume on my songs, it seems to sound better. But does it, really? I'm not sure anymore. Well in fact I'm pretty sure it does not, this video just makes too much sense. I don't assume you know my work but I'm working on Switch vs Evil-Dog Round 3 so I think, for this one, I may betray my army and try to join the ranks of Anti-Loudness army. I will look at it with opened eyes.
Cheers

Actually Evil-Dog, I have listened to your songs a bunch. You do very good heavy metal songs.
The thing I find about Heavy Metal sometimes, is that the volumes are way too maxed out to the point that even the lead guitar can't stand out and hold its own.
Indeed, this also applies to your genre as well, but loudness is also a key to your genre. So in your case it all depends on your method of balancing the loud and the not-so-loud to bring out more in your songs.
I look forward to hearing more from you.

-HFX ^_^

I do punk music :( not metal haha :P

Oops..... I get them mixed up. As you can probably tell, my head's mainly stuck over at the classical end of things. >_>; Sorry.

Amazing post, and you're right. About multiple things. First of all, I had never heard of this so-called 'loudness war', but it makes a lot of sense. A good song makes use of dualism, loud and quiet.

Personally, I never tweak any volume parameters in any of my songs. I try to make some bits quiet, and some bits loud in a way that the percussion and the main beat switch positions, but I was never a fan of "PUMPIN' DA BASS".

Thank you for a good read, and thanks again for your review on my latest submission. :)

~ La_Yinn, --'

It doesn't matter, most consumers prefer it to be loud. The only ones who truly care should be buying vinyl anyway.

With that said, now you need to learn how to put and crank the compressors on the master bus. I was afraid to at first, but I realized that they amplified mixing mistakes, and created a better end result.

I've never touched a single compressor (or learned how to use one yet, haha).

Dynamics are just very important. I don't see the logic in loud quiet parts.

I much prefer bringing my music to the maximum level allowed while maintaining proportionality to the rest of the music - rather than following this video and raising the lows as the industry supposedly does, I prefer simply to raise the entirety of the song to maximum volume, allowing for the punch and clarity to come through while still allowing listeners on smaller pairs of speakers the ability to crank it that much louder should they so choose.

All in all, you should summarize that down a bit more so impatient beginners don't interpret it universally as "Quiet is better" and bring their tracks down to 3 db before submitting.

Loose un-needed transients should be tamed and the the song should be normalized. No ng-er should self-master any more than this.

Anyway, if you make things dynamic in the mix, some quiet instruments, some loud, then compress them like fuck on a master, it goes against why you made some things quiet and loud in the first place. Most people don't think about their artistic intent while self-mastering and only think about 'good sound'.

On the other hand, many songs these days, especially in the EDM domain, like the effect of the pumping and fullness of having said compression. In trance music which I have previously worked with, I saw that artists were trying to fill the spectrum (irrelevant here) and get the loudest, fullest and most energetic sound they could. Also, most trance music is made to be as dj friendly as possible and artists wouldn't want their track lacking in volume compared to others in the mix.

Where's the, "promote this news post" button....

It's been a while ago, but this is still interesting. :)